Ironicaly, these same women would argue that women make better leaders/presidents because women are more compasionate and loving. Yet, if women are putting wealth and careers, (without necessity) before their own children, (like the %26quot;evil, opressing male%26quot;) why should we believe they wouldn%26#039;t put their desires before our children and families? How do these woman differ from the business men in power today?
Wouldn%26#039;t a woman who puts her family before herself better show the selflessness, compasion, and love that could benefit society and change the world?
What love, care, or compasion does modern feminism offer the world?
Please have an open mind, I%26#039;m not attacking here. Just trying to shed some light on a few things you may not have considered.
Feminism is the notion that women are people.
I think that the reason many women %26quot;resent the notion that women should be caregivers%26quot; is because of this: who the heck wants to be told what to do or who to be? It is up to the individual to know what she wants to do with her life. Whatever her %26quot;best virtues%26quot; are, it%26#039;s still HER decision and not anyone else%26#039;s.
Your point about women putting wealth and careers before their own children... what proof do you have of that? And what about men? Have we not seen male politicians value their own pocketbooks above the good of the people? What exactly makes men more valuable than women when it comes to politics? I%26#039;m not really understanding your point here. I think your arguement may be flawed.
About your last question, I don%26#039;t know one mother who does not put her children%26#039;s safety and happiness above all else. And I know a lot of mothers from all walks of life. They ALL work to put food on the table, who are you to judge?
Maybe you would enjoy the the book The Feminine Mystique by Betty Friedan, it really covers a lot of the questions you have about feminists and feminism.
More to discuss:
Ok, so you want to know how a woman can be a competent, compassionate leader when she has decided to not bear children OR does have children but has decided to pursue a political career anyway. How could anyone possibly trust her to care about the families of her people, right? Alright, how about this:
http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/Curren鈥?/a>
That link goes to a list of current female leaders of the world: queens, prime ministers, presidents, governor generals. Some of them are mothers, some are not. I think a few of them are even single. Some of these places are really awesome places to live. I just don%26#039;t see what gender really has to do with it.
I%26#039;ll keep my eye on this question in case you want to discuss more.
And more!:
Ok, yeah. Some of the women were figureheads, true true. I forgot to tell you that at the bottom of the page, there%26#039;s a link to go back to the main page. Go to it. It has information about women leaders throughout history, pretty rad.
Hey! Last I checked, these countries were not considered thir-world: Ireland, New Zealand, Finland, Canada, Germany, Norway, Chile, Jamaica, South Korea and The Netherlands. What would be the signifigance if they were third-world countries anyway?
Also, Margaret Thatcher is not on the list because that list is of current leaders only. She%26#039;s on the homepage under women state leaders and women rulers throughout the ages %26gt; women in power 1970-2000, you have to scroll down a bit because it%26#039;s in chronological order.
aiyiyi I%26#039;ve changed this part like five times, forgive me if you%26#039;ve read while I was editing myself. Ok, I think I get it.
You have two points that I can pick out and here are the best answers I can give:
-Feminists. One thing to keep in mind about feminists is that they are different from each other. And I mean like every single feminist has a different idea about everything. To just say %26#039;feminists say this, feminists believe that%26#039; is just generalizing. I%26#039;m a feminist and a humanist, which for me means that I live by my rules. I don%26#039;t agree that people should be telling other people what to do, be it you, me, the people you mentioned, etc.
I really don%26#039;t think that women are more capable of love than men, and even if they were I don%26#039;t see how it would make women better leaders. Compassion might lead to world peace, but the compassionate people could be anything for all I care, gender just doesn%26#039;t matter there.
-In all fairness. You asked %26quot;Yet, if women are putting wealth and careers, (without necessity) before their own children, (like the %26quot;evil, opressing male%26quot;) why should we believe they wouldn%26#039;t put their desires before our children and families?%26quot; Ok, so you%26#039;re condemning both sexes in the same breath. Hrm. I don%26#039;t know how to answer that. I guess if a person is running for office, maybe it wouldn%26#039;t be a bad idea to take a look at their family lives. Then again, maybe not. I think that you might have gotten a better cross-section of answers if this Question wasn%26#039;t so female-oriented. I mean, you%26#039;re really asking questions about both sexes and you probably could have left the feminists out of it.
Am I just reading you incorrectly?
Please read all of this in a nice tone, I%26#039;m not angry and I don%26#039;t want it to sound that way. Just trying to give you another perspective so you may come to an understanding of why women want to be great too.
I%26#039;ll check back.
Last note: wow, this is loooong. Ok, so we don%26#039;t agree on some things, cool. At least now we understand where the other is coming from. You ask why vote for them and I say why not. That%26#039;s ok. I think feminism has pros and cons, just like anything else. I also think that a level playing field is fair. If a woman president can do a better job than a man, it%26#039;s not because of her gender, it%26#039;s her policies and actions (and vice versa). That was the whole point of first-wave feminism: equality and a level playing field.
This was a great conversation. Thanks. :)
What love, care, or compasion does modern feminism offer the world?
no woman puts her family second. however, if they want to put childbirth on hold a few years to launch a career, that should be fine- after all, men really don%26#039;t know what it%26#039;s like to have a kid.
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If you ever figure out these femi-Nazi%26#039;s, you are a better person than I. They are just filled with constant rage and hate for everyone and everything, and they are trying their hardest to make everyone as miserable as they are. There is no need to try and figure out their logic because there is none.
Some just truly believe in this crazy movement, and others use it as an excuse because no man would touch them with a 10ft. pole.
Modern feminists are women who realize that there needs to be a balance. They realize that it%26#039;s best to become as independent as possible because most people in our country divorce, because most men die before their wives, and because they want to be able to make choices. It%26#039;s best to be as available to their children as possible because they value family and realize the importance of establishing values and options and closeness, and realize that they are the number one influence on their children. It%26#039;s best to earn a second income based on today%26#039;s financial mess which requires a double-income from most families in order just to be able to pay the mortgage and support their children. It%26#039;s best to stay informed about local, national and world issues, because as voters, they have a huge impact on the world%26#039;s leaders. They believe that it%26#039;s best for men to realize the same issues, and they want to teach these same values to their own children. I don%26#039;t think it%26#039;s true at all that women strive %26#039;against%26#039; traditional domesticity. They%26#039;re the women who had children and then learned that they%26#039;d have to have a Master%26#039;s degree, too, and maintain the entire household. They want their daughters to become established first and not suffer the way they did. Tons of girls are STILL having babies at 18, and when their men that they depend on bail out, there they are on the welfare system without the required degree demanded in today%26#039;s job market.
It%26#039;s a minimal and uninformated group of women who declare that their leadership would be better based on their emotional traits. It%26#039;s simply not the same thing professional women are saying at all. What they WOULD bring to the table is their intelligence, their listening skills, their education, debate, detail-oriented ideas, and a female perspective. What they would NOT bring to the table is themale perspective or the testosterone-based aggression that leads us now, always, to war.
I think there is a very wide spectrum on the %26#039;feminist%26#039; scale. I am a feminist. I am married to a British Army Officer and I am the step mother of two teenage girls whom I adore. Why do I describe myself as a feminist? Because I believe that women should have the same opportunities that men do. because I am grateful that women fought for my right to vote. Because I deplore the view that somehow women are %26#039;lesser%26#039;. I am a Professional woman in a highly paid job, without the work that feminists have put in, I would be paid less than my male counterparts and quite possibly not had the education which has led me to a career I love. Why can%26#039;t I be a devoted and loving wife and step mother AND a feminist? My husband and I share our family responsibilities. We have the happiest and most loving home I know. Our girls are both loving, compassionate AND ambitious. One is at uni studying law and the other is a superb athlete who wants to be an artist. I have no doubt that they will make great careers AND loving families. We really don%26#039;t have to be barefoot, subservient and in the kitchen to be good wives and Mothers and nor do we have to sacrifice personal happiness in order to have our place in the wider World.
